The UA ‘deal’ is sleazy – should I stiff my barber for 14 cents, too?

“You’re all set, see you next time, kid.” Just as he has said for the past 20 years.

The aged barber shuffles over to the mechanical cash register, slowly pushing the buttons. Instead of $14, up comes $0.14.

Should I:

a) Jump up and down shouting, “Ha ha, screw you, here’s your 14 cents!” And then next time show up expecting to cut in line, get a warm towel for my face, hot coffee, and a nice, safe haircut?

b) Shrug it off, joking, “Still fast on the trigger, pardner, here’s the $14.”

Reading about the United Airlines 4 mile one-way award trips to Hong Kong yesterday was fun, I even joked about it on twitter since the number 4 is inauspicious in China and that it would actually be something I have enough United miles for, but thinking it over last night, this one crosses the line for me.

There seem to be two strains of rationalization:

1. The “airline companies are big faceless corporations, which makes it okay” rationalization popularized in a classic Simpsons episode about stealing cable. This case with United is not stealing, but the rationalization is the same.

2. The airlines are implicitly in a wink-wink game with customers, each trying to outwit the other. Airlines impose many restrictions and penalties related to the services they provide, so it is only fair for customers to try to game the system back. Airlines know this and implictly tolerate it as somehow contributing to customer loyalty and their long-term bottom line.

I don’t buy either.

Rationalization 1 falls down because there is no justifiable way to draw the line. I am not going to stiff my barber. How big and ‘faceless’ is needed for a company to be fair game? Many of the people booking these tickets are probably small business owners that would be aghast if their customers nailed them over an obvious error.

Rationalization 2 I do not have any insight into the internal machinations of airlines. Do they think this is all a fun game, and more importantly, have they made this explicit to their customers? The issue here is that, however flawed, the US airlines in particular have moved to tremendous openness. How would this go if in response they announced that award bookings are now only bookable by phone or subject to 72-hour audit review before issuance?

I lived in China for eight years, it is a wonderful place is many ways, yet is filled by consumers who seek to game the system in every conceivable way. The result? Try returning something to a store.

Closer to home, every morning in my commute on the PATH train to World Train Trade Center, I pass through a station with one turnstile large enough for luggage. This turnstile is slow to close so people do not get crunched. What happens? People try to sneak in behind a paid traveler. The result? A PATH employee is now dedicated during rush hours to watch the turnstile and check swipes rather than help riders; when not available to monitor, the employee turns off the turnstile and trots out an “out of order” sticker.  What a delight when I am heading to the airport with a rollerboard or for parents with baby strollers.

The thing about this ‘game’ is customers expect it to be one-way, especially the elite status customers. Late for my flight? Put me on the next. Bad weather? Do something about it. Unhappy about a fee? Make an exception to keep my ‘loyalty.’

I don’t think the customer would be laughing next time trying to check a bag 59 minutes ahead of departure and told, “We have a 60-minute rule, no exceptions to our rules, as you know from your recent trip to Hong Kong.”

The most preposterous aspect of this whole matter is the ritual trotting out of the argument that United should honor the tickets for the sake of ‘customer loyalty’ or at least to make some reparation if they don’t. There cannot be a single person booking these tickets that thought it was not a mistake, heck the same screen that displayed the mistake price even displayed the correct price above. If honored, that ‘customer loyalty’ will last exactly until the next interaction with United, when the sense of righteous self-entitlement wells up afresh.

Ethically, this one is so clearly an error, and so egregious, that for me, however fun it would have been to play it like a video game, I draw the line. I want the airlines to treat me fair when I mess up or need help (which they do not always do), and I want them to be more and more open with their tools. The openness that makes booking easier for all travelers is the same that allows for these public mistakes. If cutting them some slack on the occasional error is the tradeoff for 24/7 online booking, I think that is fair. If, like China, the population trying to game the system grows large, airlines will react correspondingly, and everyone loses.

If United chooses to honor these tickets, enjoy the trip, I studied in Hong Kong and it is one of my favorite destinations, even try my 24 Hours in Hong Kong Itinerary or get out to Hong Kong’s splendid outlying islands and nature trails. Or spend the time doing charity work in exchange for the gift of the trip. A United fliers charity campaign in Hong Kong would actually be of value to the community and trade good publicity for honoring the fares.

If they don’t honor the tickets, move on. It is a tortuous route to argue that the customer has the moral high ground on this one, not even 4 inches worth, let alone 4 miles.

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  • Levi Fight

    I agree.

  • @Levi Fight – I was expecting hate comments, nice to start with a positive one!

  • Bob

    The next time I’m charged $150 to change a date that I fat-fingered, I’ll make sure to point out to the CSR that charging such absurd prices (which are wholly unrelated to the cost of corrections) to fix my mistake is “sleazy.” I’ll let you know how it goes…

  • Mike

    Actually i wrote on few bloggers comments that these ppl are thieves. Especially the ones that try to demand or sue airlines to honor the “deal” (funny how bloogers write it as DEAL instead of “mistake”). Where are our morals? How come ppl try to interrupte things so that it makes sense for their gain and to have a cleaner conscieous? As you said if they honor it, fine. But if they dont, dont file complaints, dont sue, etc. i hope that karma comes around and kicks them in the ass. I hope they lose something one day and i hope they look back at the times they stole.

    I lost all respect for those bloggers that i will read their posts so i can use the info they post and use their work BUT never use any of their referrals.

    I have gained HUGE amount for you since YOU seem to be the ONLY blogger that is doing the right thing.

    I think you live in NY? I cant remember right now. But I do. Im buying you a meal and a cold drink.

    Btw, all these ppl, please dont raise ur kids with these type of morals.

  • progapanda

    Great post, captures exactly how I feel about this drama.

    You’ve gained a new Twitter follower, and it seems we’re almost neighbors (unless you did mean World “Train” Centre)

  • Andrew L

    @Mike

    Are you the fat fingered UA employee?

    jk.jk.

  • Max

    Mike you are energetic! Reply to EVERY united post about your theory from disappointment….

  • MarkJ

    Good points all. It has been fun reading everyone’s blogs.

    If you go to the barber next time and there are 20 people waiting for a haircut and you find out that all of you are charged a different price by the barber and some of you get to get the haircut first due to elite status…maybe your allegiance to the barber is not so great.

    Your barber…like mine charges everyone the same price for the same service and you probably like him/her personally…hard to have that relationship with an airline.

    I think everyone who booked these 4 miles fares are about ready to get a “haircut” from the United barber. 🙂

  • Albert

    Don’t agree with your barber analogy. Your example shows the consumer going into the shop with full intent to get a haircut at the $14 price and is “surprised” to find a lower price. A more accurate example is someone who got a haircut a week ago (i.e. not needing one) walks by and sees the barber shop with a low sticker price at the window. And in this revised example, a better question to ask is should the customer pay the $14 intended price (intended by the barber) or should he pay the lower price (which is why the consumer decided to get an un-necessary hair cut anwyay)? But to point out why it is such a bad example, 99.9% of the case, none of us have taken the flight yet, so it’s really going into the barber shop, and arguing that a lower price is posted, I would like to get a haircut at that lower posted price.

  • tonyims

    I didnt book it either. It crosses the line. And even if they honor it, for sure they’ll recoup the cost either through price increases or upping the award chart. they have to make it up somehow. Thanks RapidChai for being sensible and going against the tide. We appreciate it.

  • David

    Excellent post! I agree completely.

  • Singapore Flyer

    I would have loved to have received it, but I also know that down the road, we all pay for it with increases prices. It is a big corporate, so it is about profits, so, they will find a way to justify charging more again down the road. No win for anyone.

  • Michael

    Right no!

  • Michael

    I meant Right On!

  • It is nice to read a post regarding this mistake that takes the other side. (Not that I am saying I would’nt have loved a 4 mile redemption to HK)

  • @Albert. It’s not at all as if a lower price were posted. The award chart is clearly posted on UA’s site. The correct award price was listed on the search page and on the final confirmation page. It’s only the “total” price at the bottom that was incorrect, and even then the trick only worked if you didn’t have the correct number of miles sitting in your account. The mistaken register analogy is much more appropriate.

  • @MarkJ – Haha, that’s hilarious! It is hard to be in a spot defending an airline. And then the women can argue why barbers should charge discriminatory high prices even though they are a BIS just like a man. 😉

  • LarryInNYC

    My take (which I’m kind of afraid to set down anywhere else) is that anyone who is a member of a “loyalty program” with an airline and who chooses to take advantage of a mistake like this ought to expect to see their membership terminated immediately and with extreme prejudice (meaning, loss of miles).
    .
    A loyalty program is meant to establish and reward the loyalty of the consumer to the corporation. It’s hard to come up with a definition of “loyalty” that includes taking advantage of a mistake like this — and that’s regardless of whether you’re legally entitled to do so.
    .
    If convenient, I would probably take advantage of something like this myself but without any expectation that it would be honored and without any intention of challenging a decision not to honor the ticket. Not _entirely_ consistent with my moral code, I suppose.

  • @Bob – I can’t defend all of airline policies, some I downright hate, but until I can fly myself over the Pacific, I have to take the good with the bad. At least we have 24 hours from booking to correct mistakes.

  • @Mike – I will take you up on that offer if we go 50/50… I won’t even check the mistake menu forum for a 2 cent steak! 😉

  • @progaganda – World Train Centre might be rather cool, but alas, it is World Trade Center, I made the correction.

  • Albert

    My point is that it is a bad example. I would not have walked into the barber shop if I knew it was $14 – the same price as what all other barbers are charging. Further, we haven’t taken our flights yet, whereas the example suggests that services have been provided already and the consumer is pushing for the lower price even though his expectation was $14 prior to and during the hair cut.

  • @Albert – I see your point on the analogy, it is not perfect, I was trying to highlight that it is something everyone or nearly everyone knew exactly what they were supposed to pay since it showed throughout the process, and are hoping to take advantage of what can only be construed as a mistake, because again, the correct price was displayed on the same screen. I hope you either get your flight or get a full refund, but I do not see why anyone has a legitimate complaint if they get nothing but a refund.

  • Patrick

    Well said.

  • Don

    Bravo and spot on! You are to be commended.

  • shawn

    If my barber rang me up for $0.14, accepted payment, provided a receipt, and sent me on my way (like the United website did), then I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

  • Adam S

    Good post.

    @Bob – united allow for consumers to correct errors like that with a 24 hour free cancellation period, so that’s a bad analogy.

  • mike

    @shawn, I bet if you receive the incorrect change after a purchase by getting more back, you run out the store or maybe do a power walk out before they realize their mistake, right?

  • Voice of reason

    Agree with you 100%.

    One other point —

    When people take advantage of such “deals” it is in the end the other passengers that pay for them. There is a cost to transport you to Hong Kong (in business or first class or no less). You may think you are sticking this cost to the big faceless corporation, but most of it is just passed on to other revenue paying passengers.

  • mike

    @max: yup.. I’m very energetic about this topic. It’s sad to see that there’s less people with good morals in this world. We need to stand up and do what is right. Even going against the tide in fear of getting hated on, just like Rapid Travel Chai.

  • Brooklyn

    Mike: Please vanish from the blogs. Your comments aren’t doing anything. Stop attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you.

  • Matt

    I think it’s hilarious seeing people judge others’ morals based on whether or not they got in on this deal or not (especially watching those who didn’t get in on it moralize but then state that they woulda-if-they-coulda).

    High and mighty, and not just when you’re flying.

    Have fun with that.

  • Mikes

    +1

    One more following on twitter too. I get there about twice a month, but it’s the thought that counts right? 🙂

  • William

    @mike – to suggest people are immoral based off this single topic is pretty ignorant.
    … everything in this world is perception based, so as much as what you say some people are doing is immoral, there is going to be someone telling you that something your doing is immoral, so who are you to call anyone out on their decisions, especially by being so rude about it… For example, in one comment you wrote I saw that you said you would continue using some of the bloggers advice and info but would look at them totally different now. Now for myself I regard character higher than information, whereas you are basically saying despite their “lack of character I’m going to continue using their info” …. as someone who is apparently so moral… doesn’t that seem immoral to you?

  • @Matt – I am not sure who you are referencing, I do not see anyone arguing based on whether or not they got in. I see people that tried for it but accept that it is perfectly reasonable to end up with nothing. In my case I was out with my wife while this transpired so my analysis is entirely after the fact, as I noted. Others made the call on the spot with the opportunity still live.

    Whatever the case, these things comes and go, each with its own peculiarities. It is important to have these discussions as a community, and live cases are better than hypothetical. Each person makes their own call in the end. More cogent debate, not less, can only help people decide what is appropriate for them when new dilemmas arise.

  • @Milkes – well, until last week I got to twitter about once a quarter, but am trying as a blog year two resolution. I have still RSS and even old-fashioned email feeds if you would like to follow.

  • Jeff

    I happen to agree that is NOT REASONABLE to EXPECT United to honor these. For the few people who already started their itinerary I would say that is really sleazy. It is obvious they booked a flight leaving immediately because they did not expect the ticket to be honored. The same goes for any troll out there who is threatening to sue. I think everyone would agree that they are a complete pig.

    HOWEVER, United did not render any services at all for the rest of us, and since no one seriously expects the free flight or stands to lose anything if it is cancelled, I don’t see how it was wrong to book it for fun. A lot of people had a ton of fun and excitement planning a great trip while bearing in mind that they are probably not going to get it anyway.

    One more group of people I take issue with are those who booked a ton of flights. Some commentors claim they booked as much as 50 (!!!) tickets. It is this kind of insane gold mining that is so dirty and ugly.

    Since the WSJ article was dredged up with a quote saying that United policy is to honor all mistake fares no matter how big the error is, I would say that United looked to the future, understood the ramifications of such a policy and made it anyway.

    The reason they made that policy and announced it is because they made a calculated decision that the benefits of having that policy outweighs the possible cost of the policy. If that is the case, then is it really morally wrong to book a mistake fare? Would you say the United should benefit from having the policy and also not honor it?

    Remember, when United made that statement, (that honoring mistake fares is their policy) they were essentially saying “All you travel nerds and bloggers out there, who we know are actively looking for these deals, go ahead and book WE WILL HONOR THEM so do your worst”. So when it actually happens, they shouldn’t cry about it. They COULD have said “Yeah we’ll honor mistakes but only up to $500.” They could have said “Guys, mistakes are not fair game”

    They didn’t. They said “people, go right ahead”.

    Having said all this (in a really long post) I think the reasonable thing for United to do is honor the tickets for those who made reasonable bookings (one or two) possibly moving them down to economy. However if I were in charge those who took egregious advantage of the mistake to book 5,8,10 or 50 bookings would lose them.

    This would also give United a chance to get some good PR given the VERY recent PR disaster where a planeful of people were stuck in China for three DAYS waiting to depart. If I were in charge I would make a big deal out of honoring some of these bookings and alert the media to distract from the other mess.

    Your thoughts?

  • Lindsay

    Since March 3, United has done everything possible to indicate that they are no longer interested in customer loyalty. I can’t imagine that they would choose to start now by honoring a 4 cent ticket.

  • Matt

    @RTC – It was aimed at Mike and the many others I see playing “holier than thou” across FT, Dans Deals and the blogs and saying people who booked a ticket lack morals.

    People on the internetz are funny like that with their grand judgments.

    I booked a trip. Would it be awesome to go to HK? Sure. Am I going to flip out and sue if they cancel the ticket? Nope. Que sera sera.

  • HC

    Yeah, Mike is really on his soapbox, high horse, or whatever you want to say. I liked this blog entry, I think it was well thought out and a good discussion of the issues involved. Thank you for not being like Mike and taking to the pulpit and turning all sanctimonious on us.

    This reminds me a little bit of the 83,000 AA miles for buying one of those pucks to recharge a phone from Verizon. I think there were even suits filed. That is all way over the line of rational behavior from my perspective.

    As I see it, I jumped in on a mistake fare and am at peace with whichever decision United makes on it. Obviously my preference is to go to Hong Kong, but aside from expressing disappointment at a great travel hacking tale to tell for years and years I am not going to say one thing against United if they cancel all bookings unless they come up with some kind of crazy thing like, all trips booked for October will be honored and those booked for December will be routed through Norway.

  • @Jeff – Many good points and thank you for taking the time to write in such depth.

    I have a bit of trouble with basing a company’s policy entirely on one quote in the WSJ, when no official policy says this, but that is why I noted in the article that this is a possibility for United’s approach to mistake fares.

    My argument is less about the fun of gambling, if indeed people expect it not to be honored, but it is about the preposterous outrage that will inevitably follow if they do not, as if it is unethical for United to not honor them. And there are so many wrinkles to this, for instance what if today someone had a family emergency but could not buy a ticket for the flight because 50 people have 4 mile tickets they never otherwise would have acquired?

    If United wants good PR and all of these people are such good-spirited punters, then how about UA offer to refund each of these and donate the seat to a charity in the name of the purchaser? They could even get a 4 mile (plus taxes & fees) tax write-off!

  • @Lindsay – take it from an ex-NWA flyer/nwa.com aficionado: it gets worse in year 2 when they even stop sending the “thanks for bearing with us emails.” Delta hasn’t even run a decent mileage promotion since then.

  • @Matt – thanks for the follow-up, I am not good at following the forums so have not seen it all play out beyond some of the blog posts I have read.

    ‘Que sera sera’ indeed seems the best approach.

  • Jeff

    @Rapid Travel Chai- Its not fair to make a long blog entry railing against an expected reaction. Especially if you don’t even expect the reaction to be from mainstream ppl as opposed to a few wing nuts.

    Let’s see what happens…

  • @Jeff – I handled my reply inelegantly, so will reiterate my core argument that this ‘deal’ crosses the line for me. I did not hear about it until too late to partake anyway so by some observer’s criteria my opinion is irrelevant, but for what it is worth, would not have booked it. I do not see any of the rationalizations as justification for booking something to screw the airline and hope it gets honored just to avoid some PR backlash. I do not handle my personal or business dealings in that way. The reaction is indeed predictable on the extremes. For those in the middle I hope the debate helps them determine where they draw the line among the breathless, uncritical reports from other sources.

  • Yoshinoya

    I appreciate the post, and I agree. A few more of these, and the award system will change…no stopovers or open jaws, and eliminate any generous UA or US award routing rule currently in place, a la going to Asia across the Atlantic. It will become priced on a per-segment basis, like BA Avios.

    I think UA should go further, and just keep all the miles from the standard bookings (at most 160K per ticket), and charge change fees to cancel. If accts didn’t have enough miles, make accts have a negative mileage balance with the option to cancel or pay at check-in.

  • Anonymous Flyer

    I thought people taking advantage of this mistake was horrible. That is why I called United and let them know. Within minutes, the bloggers were complaining about the “deal” being over.

  • Brian Cohen

    I would have liked to have discussed this one over sushi with you, Rapid Traveler.

    Without offering an opinion of my own pertaining to the topic itself, you have succinctly and clearly stated your point of view in a thoughtful manner. This is an excellent entry which you have added to your weblog. Well done!

  • Boilers

    I agree and like the post. I am disappointed in United but this is not the way to solve the issues.

  • andrew

    I agree with your post, but would like to say this:

    Back when I was in college (1983) I worked part time in the shoe section at Mervyn’s department store in San Diego. We had a type of sports shoe that normally retailed for approx US$45, but unnoticed by us prior to putting out the boxes on the floor display, several boxes were marked at US$20.

    Even as the correct price was displayed on the register, we had honor the price on the box, since that is what the customer was led to believe the price was going to be, even though it was a mistake. And yes we had a number of people take purposeful advantage of our error.

  • Barry

    We expect people to have an ethical imperative to treat each other with decency… but there is no such requirement for corporations to treat people the same way. A corporation’s structure insulates shareholders owners from moral issues.

    I think “faceless corporation” doesn’t just mean “I can’t see who I’m hurting by stealing from them”… it also means “this corporation would steal from me, given the chance, because it ISN’T A PERSON”.

    Consider a corporation that treats its owners, employees, and customers fairly (Costco springs to mind, as well as my credit union), and you’ll find far fewer customers looking to stick it to them.

    I think the sad thing here is how we’re losing so many “barber type” one-on-one business relationships these days (where personal integrity was intuitive, and valued) due to the rise of the global corporation.

    Then again, I suppose a barber can’t fly you to Hong Kong…

  • jorgeluis500

    Although I agree with the post, I also think the barber example is not the best one.

    If I could have jumped in, I’d have done it too but without any expectation, let alone any thought of suing or any other crazy thing. If they decide not to honor it, fine although they could try to get some PR from it.

  • matt

    It’s quite impressive the level of acrimony this is generating.

  • KateFromCA

    Right on. I, for one, was on my laptop reading about this “deal” as it was happening and decided not to jump in (no Monday morning quarterbacking here).

    Many of us are getting half a dozen or more free tickets a year from credit card sign up bonuses and shopping via portals for stuff we would buy anyway, but 4 miles for a first class ticket? Why? Don’t we have enough miles we got for (almost) nothing, already? We won’t this thing to last, right?

  • HikerT

    Kudos to you Rapid Travel Chai for calling this one out for what it is. Sad to see so few taking the high road on this one.

  • aadvantagegeek

    If they gave out a Pulitzer Prize for best travel blog post, this would surely deserve it.

    Well done RTC.

  • @matt – It’s like I am FlyerTalk for a day. 😉 I think it strikes a nerve because people want the prize but don’t necessarily want to take a hard look at the implications, which leads to inflamed passions and rationalizations.

  • @aadvantageekl – I don’t know the emoticon for blushing. 🙂

  • An outstanding, well-reasoned, and thoughtful post. Thanks for setting the standard for the rest of us.

  • Tania P.

    Perfect post and a good lesson about where/when to cross the line. For me the worst part is the time people spend talking/complaining/whinning about UA on FT/MP. I know miles is a passion for some, but some people need to have some balance on their lifes.

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  • colpuck

    Not only should this fare be honored but we have a moral obligation to see that it is honored.

    First, is this ticket “fair?” Easy answer no.
    Did I know UA screwed up when they issued the ticket, yes.

    Does any of that matter, of course not.

    There is an unequal power relationship between United and the person who buys a ticket from United. The passenger must abide by the contract of carriage which they can not change. The passenger can not negotiate price, nor changes in the flight schedule. In short, United has all the power in the dealing between them and the person buying the ticket.

    Also, United sets up the way people purchase tickets. United has chosen to use an automated system instead of a person approving each purchase. United made those choices.United should live by those choices the way any of us do.

    Seeing as United has all the power, we should set up rules that protect the purchaser of their product. Once the product is purchased neither the buyer nor united should be able to go back and change the ticket without the consent of the other party. This rules allows people to rely on the ticket issued. Without this rule, United could change any ticket at will. This has the potential to be horribly abusive, with united collecting money at the gate when the traveler has no other option but to pay. While this scenario is unlikely, without the rule forbidding changes without consent it becomes possible. That scares me.

    UA in the past year has made unilateral changes to its product. Now they have moved to making unilateral changes to tickets. This must be fought. If it is not, then we as travelers are unable to rely on ANY ticket issued by united. How can I book a hotel or theater tickets if the thought is there that United could shake me down at any moment in time.

    In short, M. Crichton in Jurassic Park said “I don’t blame people for their mistakes, I do ask that they pay for them.” United made a mistake and they need to own up and pay for it like everybody else.

  • Jerry

    Quite honestly, I really do believe that the majority of people who are preaching from alleged moral high ground are sitting on a big pile of sour grapes. “This is awful,” “you’re taking advantage of the airline,” “you’re making it harder for people who play by the rules”, and so on.

    How is this any different from taking advantage of a $300 mistake fare to RGN (or however much it was), or even credit card churning? The extent, of course, but that’s really it. If everyone started churning cards like those who are really into travel hacking, they’d change the rules (and in some cases, I’m sure they already have, thanks to over-eager churners). That’s the way travel hacking works, folks – it’s gaming the system for your own benefit.

    A few people have brought up the massive lost revenue that UA faces due to this deal. There are a lot of armchair airline accountants chiming in that this figure could be in the tens of millions. As has been pointed out, it’s not likely to be anywhere near that high (wanna bet that the majority of those F seats would be empty or shilled to pax at the gate for a hundred or two?), but let’s assume that this high figure is correct. If so, that would be the only ground on which to criticize this deal – UA’s excessive loss. That’s it. So please, leave the morality out of this.

  • Jerry

    … but let me do add, RTC, that I respect your opinion, and I thank you for going against all of the other bloggers. I’ve added your blog to my reader – keep up the good work.

  • Phil

    I have already had the experience of being at an airport 59 minutes before departure with a 60 minute cut off and told that sorry I was too late. My barber is a good friend I’d never screw over in fact I always tip handsomely. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve been screwed by an airline. So irregardless of where you sit on this, I fail to see the intellect or thoughtfulness of this post. More like moral rambling …..

  • @Jerry – thank you for sharing your opinion. When it comes to ethics, it is trite but correct to say there are no easy answers. The RGN thing I need to look at it more detail, I did not follow it closely at the time. One difference, is would a novice traveler who happened to be searching for a RGN trip then or a HKG trip last Sunday have the same reaction, in essence a ‘reasonable person’ test. In the UA case the correct price is displayed all the way through, even on the final screen that also showed the error, which is why I respect @colpuck’s opinion but do not share his ‘slippery slope’ concern. Any reasonable person will see that is an error. RGN would stretch credibility for a deliberate sale fare but a reasonable person unfamiliar with air travel might think that is a fair, correct price. Now of course the people taking advantage of both knew exactly what they were doing and exploited it to the full, assuming and hoping that someone else would get stuck with a nasty bill, so maybe the ‘reasonable person’ test is irrelevant. I will think this case over.

    Credit card churning I should explore in a future post. The credit card companies do not make their policies at all explicit and are wildly inconsistent, so the ethics of ‘hacking’ is much less clear-cut. The Amex Delta current offer says you won’t get the bonus if you have had the same in the past 12 months, so is it then saying it is ok to apply again in 12 months + 1 day? There are so many variants of credit card churning, and it gets really tangled.

    I come back to my core argument that a set of people feel it is appropriate to attempt to find and exploit mistakes of a small set of companies with a ferocity and maliciousness they would likely find unacceptable in other facets of life (including their own business or profession). I find the rationalizations to be ethically unconvincing. For myself, I would not consider this to be ethical conduct in my personal and business dealings, so how can I justify an exception for airline tickets? To me, the ethics are inescapable, and it is shameful and dangerous to cast aside moral principles just because the lucre is extra shiny.

  • @Phil – in your spectrum from ok to screw in any way airlines (because of past, unrelated experiences) to the barber you won’t screw, where and how in the middle do you draw the line? Hotels? Restaurants? Clients? Colleagues? To me, this is an interesting, challenging debate and I welcome your thoughtfulness.

  • Cory

    It’s a dog-eat-dog world. Cruel and unforgiving.

    To paraphrase and amend the great Norm Peterson from Cheers, one of us (Ticket purchasers or United) is going to be wearing Milkbone underwear.

  • Cory

    @RTC on your reply to Jerry you said, “One difference, is would a novice traveler who happened to be searching for a RGN trip then or a HKG trip last Sunday have the same reaction, in essence a ‘reasonable person’ test.”

    I know what you’re saying, and to bolster your argument further….in the case of the HKG trip on Sunday I don’t think the novice traveler searching for that trip would have gotten far enough to see the 4 mile price. If they have enough miles to even contemplate booking a ticket in any class of service, especially in 1st Class, to HKG then they’re far from novice.

  • Great write-up!

    It’s quite funny what people feel that they can get away with.

    Thanks for sharing

    Hayden @ FlymeFunky.com